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can one house of congress defend doma without the other? third, even if one house could, did a committee have the power to intervene, and fourth does the administration of the president's agreement to deprive the supreme court of the judds. again, remember, the obama administration informed eric holder not to enforce doma, but it seems like a game of chicken with the president says i want the supreme court to do this, and the supreme court saying why isn't the president enforcing this or trying to do something on his own accord. it's an odd, trying two-step right now. about you we'll know full well by 2:00 when we have the full audio. >> jeffrey, i wanted to give you a chance to speak to thomas' points. >> i think he summarized the dilemma very accurately, and john roberts said, can you name a single case in history where congress has had the power -- or one house of congress has had the power to defend an act ofeniof that the president has not defended? we all knew that conservative justices might be skeptical, but the fact that liberal ju
can one house of congress defend doma without the other? third, even if one house could, did a committee have the power to intervene, and fourth does the administration of the president's agreement to deprive the supreme court of the judds. again, remember, the obama administration informed eric holder not to enforce doma, but it seems like a game of chicken with the president says i want the supreme court to do this, and the supreme court saying why isn't the president enforcing this or trying...
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doma doesn't seem fair. while the court will not rule until june, it appears that a majority of justices are leaning towards striking down the law. the four liberal justices argued that the law was discriminatory. >> it affects every area of life, and so you are really diminishing what the state has said is marriage. you're saying, no, state -- there are two kinds of marriages. the full marriage and then this sort of skim milk marriage. >> what gives the federal government the right to be concerned at all at what the definition of marriage is. so they can create a class they don't like, or a class that they consider is suspect in the marriage category. >> justice anthony kennedy, the court's traditional swing vote, seemed prepared to rule against doma, citing not discrimination at the root of his concern, but state's rights. >> when it has 1,100 laws, which in our society means the federal government is intertwined with the citizens' day-to-day life, you are, at real risk of running in conflict with what has
doma doesn't seem fair. while the court will not rule until june, it appears that a majority of justices are leaning towards striking down the law. the four liberal justices argued that the law was discriminatory. >> it affects every area of life, and so you are really diminishing what the state has said is marriage. you're saying, no, state -- there are two kinds of marriages. the full marriage and then this sort of skim milk marriage. >> what gives the federal government the right...
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as i understand it, it says that doma is unconstitutional. it does not say that same-sex marriage is legal everywhere. that is ultimately i think going to become the next hope of the lgbt community. this means in places like new york that same-sex marriages are legal. it doesn't change or invalidate the states that have bans on same-sex marriage. >> that's the crux of it, right, michael? the court could have ruled that states cannot bar gay marriage that. would have been a broader ruling that would have applied to all of the states. in this case they're saying the federal government can focus on these states. it's great news for people in those states. what would be the next logical step for people in support of gay marriage. >> they ruled as far as they could rule plausibly. they through this procedural ruling allowed same-sex marriage to proceed in california which has 11% of the country's population. down the road one could imagine people asking the supreme court to issue a sweeping declaration that the equal protection clause requires mar
as i understand it, it says that doma is unconstitutional. it does not say that same-sex marriage is legal everywhere. that is ultimately i think going to become the next hope of the lgbt community. this means in places like new york that same-sex marriages are legal. it doesn't change or invalidate the states that have bans on same-sex marriage. >> that's the crux of it, right, michael? the court could have ruled that states cannot bar gay marriage that. would have been a broader ruling...
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we got doma out of that. we got welfare reform, which i think is a mixed bag, but actually largely as time goz, we'll work our way through the great recession, support all it was cracked up to be. >> it changes the way we measure welfare and welfare recipients. >> there was a lot that came out of that, you know, out of washington working or of them coming to the table together that has haunted us for 17, 18 years after the fact. i think -- i think it should give people a little skepticism about just how worthwhile compromise where grand bargains as an ending of themselves. >> when we talk about president obama, his evolution on the issue, it is really dramatic when you look at the numbers. in 1996 27% supported gay marriage. 201153% support gay marriage. this is almost in the history books in terms of being a civil rights battle that is very nearly won, depending on what the supreme court does. >> it's a huge generational change. we've all been living it. i worked for president clinton when he signed doma, an
we got doma out of that. we got welfare reform, which i think is a mixed bag, but actually largely as time goz, we'll work our way through the great recession, support all it was cracked up to be. >> it changes the way we measure welfare and welfare recipients. >> there was a lot that came out of that, you know, out of washington working or of them coming to the table together that has haunted us for 17, 18 years after the fact. i think -- i think it should give people a little...
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that's a big step. >> you can decide as the obama administration has not to defend doma. there's still consequences to doma being on the book and reasons why it has to go away. >> absolutely. >> if you are a same-sex couple and married it in one of the states you're now legally married and one dies you face estate tax situations. >> yeah. >> that a heterosexual couple doesn't. every time you file federal taxes you are treated differently. it says these relationships are lesser. i think we've evolved to a point this country where we accept gay and lesbian people as equal and say their relationships in the federal law are lesser than we're saying they're lesser. >> how it fits with the immigration debate as well. >> certainly. it's presently worth noting that bill clinton should maybe take a page from the joe biden playbook because he after all is the person we have to thank -- >> the joe biden playbook. >> and taking a page from it. >> thank you to ari, joy and frank for joining me today. that is all for us here at "now." see you back tomorrow at noon eastern, 9:00 a.m. pa
that's a big step. >> you can decide as the obama administration has not to defend doma. there's still consequences to doma being on the book and reasons why it has to go away. >> absolutely. >> if you are a same-sex couple and married it in one of the states you're now legally married and one dies you face estate tax situations. >> yeah. >> that a heterosexual couple doesn't. every time you file federal taxes you are treated differently. it says these...
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the first seeks to strike down the federal government's defense of marriage act, known as doma. the second involves a challenge to california's proposition 8, a voter-approved ballot initiative that outlawed same-sex marriage. a federal appeals court struck down the law earlier this year. the court's decision to weigh in on marriage equality came as same-sex couples began marrying in washington state yesterday. on election day voters there and in maryland and in maine made history when they became the first states to approve same-sex marriage at the ballot box. joining us now to discuss is steve, chair of the gay and lesbian victory fund. great to have you. >> nice to be here, alex. s. >> so a lot of tea leaf read and arm chair prognostication around this. i am by no means a supreme court expert, but when i saw that they were taking up both doma and prop 8, question as to whether they would take up inform i them at all, it seemed to me a signal that the court was ready to make a big decision, and i just cannot imagine, especially when you have conservatives like john roberts, wh
the first seeks to strike down the federal government's defense of marriage act, known as doma. the second involves a challenge to california's proposition 8, a voter-approved ballot initiative that outlawed same-sex marriage. a federal appeals court struck down the law earlier this year. the court's decision to weigh in on marriage equality came as same-sex couples began marrying in washington state yesterday. on election day voters there and in maryland and in maine made history when they...
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if the doma ruling was the wedding celebration, the honeymoon is greater tax equality. yesterday the social security administration announced it started paying out benefits to surviving spouses of same-sex marriages. both the treasury department and irs also announced new tax equality measures for married same-sex couples. but american progress on equality has eluded much of the rest of the world. last wednesday in india, supreme court reinstated a ban on gay sex sparking thousands of protesters in deli and mumbai. thursday australia's top court rejected a law allowing gay marriage. of course in russia, the host of the 2014 olympics, targeting and abuse of homosexuals is among the worst in the world. before the anti-gay proposition passed, there were gay sports contests in russia, small festivals and forums, signs of vitality. now homophobic groups feel free to harass gays and lesbians. homophobic wolf posted pictures of gay and lesbian men and women online to better be pursued on streets. some found placards on the building saying a gay person lives within. humiliation
if the doma ruling was the wedding celebration, the honeymoon is greater tax equality. yesterday the social security administration announced it started paying out benefits to surviving spouses of same-sex marriages. both the treasury department and irs also announced new tax equality measures for married same-sex couples. but american progress on equality has eluded much of the rest of the world. last wednesday in india, supreme court reinstated a ban on gay sex sparking thousands of...
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>> i think it's the language in justice kennedy's doma opinion. i think that was very important. and i think the justices and judges across the land, whether they're in a federal court, whether they're in an appellate court, they understand that this is the law. this isn't about whether you're republican or democrat. this is about being an american. and they're interpreting the law as every person in this country deserves the same rights, whether they're gay, straight, bisexual or transgender, everybody deserves those same rights. what's happening now is you're seeing states you never would have expected coming along with arkansas and texas and utah -- states like that. that underscores that, yeah, you might get the coast but you're never getting the flyover states. now we're getting the flayovyov states. >> orrin hatch said, anybody who does not believe that gay marriage is going to be the law of the land just hasn't been observing what's going on. he's not just lit igatory. >> the film documents this legal strategy to make sure that prop 8 never p has again. but the fact of the
>> i think it's the language in justice kennedy's doma opinion. i think that was very important. and i think the justices and judges across the land, whether they're in a federal court, whether they're in an appellate court, they understand that this is the law. this isn't about whether you're republican or democrat. this is about being an american. and they're interpreting the law as every person in this country deserves the same rights, whether they're gay, straight, bisexual or...
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week we won doma, the day before we lost the voting rights act. we vs to also understand those are terrible losses that have enormous impact on people. >> huge. >> i think the key thing is though, the law is all interconnected. this is one place i do agree with justice scalia. if can you push an equal protection argument to protect lgbt across this country, we are helping latinos, we are helping african-americans, we are helping women. you are establishing a standard which you're reaching out to a different community was never covered by the protection of equal protection of the law. >> but it is worth noting that gay rights may lead the path for women's rights and the rifts minorities. which we thought -- and i think to some degree had hoped was a closed chapter in american society, the fact that the gay rights frontier must now sort of be like leading the charge for equality on a host of other issues where we thought it was settled law. >> i think the key thing for us working with steve is to find a way to get this issue either neutralized where
week we won doma, the day before we lost the voting rights act. we vs to also understand those are terrible losses that have enormous impact on people. >> huge. >> i think the key thing is though, the law is all interconnected. this is one place i do agree with justice scalia. if can you push an equal protection argument to protect lgbt across this country, we are helping latinos, we are helping african-americans, we are helping women. you are establishing a standard which you're...
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the biggies among them are the same-sex marriage cases, prop 8 in california, the federal doma, defense of marriage act, the voting rights act that you mentioned, thenal challenge to affirmative action and college admissions. >> best in the business, nbc's pete williams at the supreme court. thank you very much. >>> after the break -- talk about a miss! miss utah boldly goes where, sadly, others have gone before. we'll talk pageants and equal pay next. [ man ] on december 17, 1903, the wright brothers became the first in flight. [ goodall ] i think the most amazing thing is how like us these chimpanzees are. [ laughing ] [ woman ] can you hear me? and you hear your voice? oh, it's exciting! [ man ] touchdown confirmed. we're safe on mars. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ hi. [ baby fussing ] ♪ twenty-five thousand mornings, give or take, is all we humans get. we spend them on treadmills. we spend them in traffic. and if we get lucky, really lucky, it dawns on us to go spend them in a world where a simple sunrise can still be magic. twenty-five thousand mornings. make sure some of them are
the biggies among them are the same-sex marriage cases, prop 8 in california, the federal doma, defense of marriage act, the voting rights act that you mentioned, thenal challenge to affirmative action and college admissions. >> best in the business, nbc's pete williams at the supreme court. thank you very much. >>> after the break -- talk about a miss! miss utah boldly goes where, sadly, others have gone before. we'll talk pageants and equal pay next. [ man ] on december 17,...
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if doma falls, you get the sense that it's going to fall not because of a same-sex marriage mindset, but because of not an equal protection grounds, but a states' rights ground. the question of whether same-sex marriage is guaranteed under the constitution, i think, is going to come down, come down the road later. but i do think if prop 8 falls, and the lower court ruling stands, marriage will happen in california. and i think it will speed up the timetable. but the idea of saying that the court should just you know, back off and do nothing, is i think, ridiculous. you're asking people to wait decades upon decades for this stuff to unwind. >> i don't think it's decades, if you look at young evangelicals are not exercised about this issue. they still care about abortion and other stuff. they care a lot about marriage as a strong institution. young evangelicals do not care about gay marriage. except on the extreme kind of fringe. >> talking about people's lives being affected right now. it's hard to say, okay,well let's just -- >> it's going, i think it's going to fall within the next,
if doma falls, you get the sense that it's going to fall not because of a same-sex marriage mindset, but because of not an equal protection grounds, but a states' rights ground. the question of whether same-sex marriage is guaranteed under the constitution, i think, is going to come down, come down the road later. but i do think if prop 8 falls, and the lower court ruling stands, marriage will happen in california. and i think it will speed up the timetable. but the idea of saying that the...